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The Dead Sea Scrolls: On The Prophet and His Detractors ….

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I am going to discuss two fragments from the Dead Sea Scrolls in response to the latest media frenzy surrounding the release of a Dutch film, claiming to be anti-Quran, but before I begin, I have a simple message to Muslims around the world: Do NOT grieve, or lose your composure, for attacks on our faith and our Prophet have been the norm rather than the exception for most of the past 14 centuries. They have failed in the past and they WILL fail again. As far as I am concerned, these vicious and deliberately misleading attacks are the clearest Sign of the Truth of Islam.

Ironically, these actions are squarely condemned and predicted to fail by none other than the oldest Jewish texts known to exist: The Dead Sea Scrolls, written more than 2000 years ago. I will introduce here, two fragments from the scrolls that I believe demonstrate my point.

The first fragment is the The Self Glorification Hymn, 4Q491c , from the Dead Sea Scrolls cave 4 collection. This fragment speaks of a future Prophetical figure, a Messenger of God that is abused and insulted like no other:

Who shall [experience] troubles like me? And who is like me [in bearing] evil? I have not been taught, but no teaching compares i7[ with my teaching]. Who then shall attack me when [I] ope[n my mouth]? Who can endure the utterance of my lips? Who shall arraign me and compare with my judgment i3[ . . . Fo]r I am reck[oned] with the gods, [and] my glory with that of the sons of the King. Neither [refined go]ld, nor the gold of Ophir 19[ . . . ] (4Q491C -Dead Sea Scrolls – cave 4)
[source: Mystical Texts By Philip Alexander ]

The second fragment, [Levi Apocryphon, Fragment 4Q451.9- cave 4 Dead Sea Scrolls], is even more explicit. You may be forgiven for thinking it was written by a contemporary writer:

He will atone for all the children of his generation, and he will be sent to all the children of his people. His word is like a word of heaven, and his teaching is in accordance with the will of Elohim. His eternal sun will shine, and his light will be kindled in all corners of the earth, and it will shine on the darkness. Then the darkness will pass away from the earth and thick darkness from the dry land. They will speak many words against him, and they will invent many lies and fictions against him and shameful things about him. Evil will overthrow his generation…His situation will be one of lying and violence and the people will go astray in his days, and be confounded (4Q451.9 Dead Sea Scrolls)
[source: King, Priest and Prophet By Geza G. Xeravits- pages 111-112]

Fragment 4Q491c describe the Prophet as ‘someone who has not been taught’, a well documented attribute of Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]. It also alludes to the background of the Prophet, who came from an un-learned nation. The second fragment [4Q451.9], tells how the teachings of the Prophet will cause “darkness to disappear from ‘DRY LAND’“, which can also be translated ‘The Desert’. Both Fragments indicate that the main strength of the Prophet are ‘his words‘, described as ‘ like the words of heaven ‘. This is one more feature that can only apply to Prophet Muhammad (ص). Unlike Moses and Jesus who performed physical miracles to their audiences, Muhammad’s (ص) main miracles is The Quran, The words of God.

Now, if you think about it calmly, no individual in history has been subjected to a barrage of insults or a sustained campaign of hate as did the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, the Messenger of God, (ص). From the dawn of Islam, when the prophet (ص) declared to the Arab polytheists that he was sent to them by God to end idolatry, the prophet was faced with unprecedented enmity from his own people. He endured 13 years of hostility, ridicule and sanctions in Mecca before being forced to leave his birthplace when the Meccans plotted to murder him, and he emigrated to Madina.

This emigration known as ‘Hijra’ was such an important event, it has been designated the base year of the Muslim Calendar. For the next 10 years, the Prophet was surrounded by enemies bent on extinguishing the new religion, but God delivered his promise to the prophet (ص), and he prevailed over his enemies, conquering Mecca in the 9th year AH. When the prophet (ص) performed the Farewell Pilgrimage in year 10 AH, he was joined by 100,000 Muslims.

The religion that started with one person 23 years earlier, has entered all the corners of Arabia, and was primed to spread to the world. Today, there are about 1.5 billions Muslims in the world.

One thing has never changed: The hostility shown to the prophet (ص). His enemies have always been extreme in their animosity.

The latest manifestation of this hatred and hostility can be seen right now: Danish Cartoons, Fitna, the Dutch Anti- Islam film, numerous articles in the printed press as well as hundreds of Websites and blogs dedicated to viciously attacking the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (ص).

In the middle ages, stories were invented in Europe about the prophet that described how he burnt children alive and ate them. The teaching of Islam were sometimes portrayed as borrowed material that Muhammad learned from Christians and Jews. The same prophet was accused by the same people, of reviving a pagan religion that he developed from old legends in Arabia. You can often find conflicting and contradictory statements about the prophet in the same page.

I have read an article which implied that Muhammad copied stories from old scriptures and books and included them in the Quran. The list comprised Old Jewish writing, apocrypha, Greek legends, the Hebrew Bible, The Talmud amongst others. What is striking about this claim is that the list is so extensive, it is absolutely impossible for an illiterate person living in Mecca in the sixth century to have found and seen all of them, let alone study and extract stories from them. The author conveniently ignore the fact the Quranic narration is almost always substantially different from the alleged sources. Even today, with the all the advances in communication and the availability of resources like the internet, libraries, and printing it would still be extremely difficult for someone to go through half of these books. Remember that the prophet (ص), was leading an emerging state, he was the preident, the supreme cour, the leader of the army, and the teacher. Where did he find the time to read those books that are written in different languages, and that are hard to come by even today!!

Of course I acknowledge that other Prophets have suffered too, but none like Muhammad (ص), and none has suffered for such a long period. The Prophet has continued to be the target of ‘vicious things said about him’ to this very moment.

Allah told the Prophet (and us ) in the Quran – Chapter 3:

[Quran 3:186] Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs.

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  1. I must admit, I am not a religious scholar of any type. Just a guy trying to learn more of God. However, to me the person this passage from the DSS refers to is obviously Jesus Christ. You mentioned how Islam has become a large worldwide religion largely as a result of the armies of Mohammad. Jesus Christ sought to persuade the people by miracles not by the point of the sword. Yet his adherents are every bit as numerous as that of Islam. There is no denying the suffering that he went through. Greater suffering has no man suffered. He was killed by his own and he submitted to it willingly. He visited all of his children. “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (John 10:16) The book of 3 Nephi in the Book of Mormon describes his visitation to the ancient inhabitants (descendants of the Israelite prophet, Lehi, who was led out of Jeruselem in 600 BC) of America right after his crucifixion and resurrection.

    More importantly, he atoned for the sins of Man. “He will atone for all the children of his generation, and he will be sent to all the children of his people.” Does Islam claim that the Prophet Mohammad made an atonement for men as well?

    Don

    April 26, 2008 at 11:42 pm

  2. Don,

    Your suggestion about the subject of the Self Glorification Hymn being Jesus rather than Muhammad is interesting but I disagree with it.

    First, let me clarify that I do not reject out of hand that Jesus could be the subject of prophecies in the Hebrew Bible, for I believe Jesus to be a true and great prophet. He was, after all, the final prophet of Israel.

    Even IF Jesus was delivered to his enemies and crucified (something that I believe, did not actually happen- see my post on the crucifixion), that would not make his suffering exceptional or greater than the abuse endured by Muhammad.

    During Jesus very brief ministry, two great prophets were also delivered to their enemies and suffered death in an even more cruel way, these were John the Baptist and his father Zacharia.

    In fact, scholars like Geza Vermes insist that Jesus was very popular an enjoyed support from a wide section of the population.

    And of course, death in itself, is the destiny of all humans, and every single person will go through the experience.

    Finally, your remark about the expansion of the Muslim’s empire: This does not automatically equate to Islam itself spreading by the sword. – a myth that I intend to discuss and dispel in a separate post, but, can you really say that Christianity was not forced on people and for a very long times?

    Under the guise of fighting heretics, and over many centuries, hundreds of thousands were killed, tortured or forced to convert to Christianity and, to a particular strand of Christianity. Jews throughout Europe were asked to choose between conversion, death or expulsion. Until the middle of the 20est century, the church banned thousands of books in an official list, religious freedom was suppressed. Unfortunately, similar attempts at the same are being made to this day.

    Rasheed

    May 1, 2008 at 2:01 am

  3. Rasheed,

    Thank you for your point of view. I agree that the crucifixion of Jesus does not represent anything more extraordinary than what had happened to others (although his willingness to submit to death, and His resurrection as a result of His power over death are unmatched). My point is that He was persecuted by the Sanhedrin and convicted of phony charges by the Roman governor, Pilate, simply for acting contrary to their view of the Law of Moses and for political expediency. This was ironic, considering it was Jesus himself who gave Moses the Law prior to his mortal ministry as a premortal divine spiritual being. More importantly, I am referring to the episode in the Garden of Gesthemane during which he suffered so greatly to bear the burden of mankind’s sins/sufferings that he bled from every pore. No mortal could endure such suffering and it is because of this sacrifice that we have the opportunity to repent and be saved from sin. This, along with the crucifixion represents the Atonement.

    I agree that followers and leaders of Christianity have a history of forced conversions and atrocity. However, this was not what Christ Himself preached and from the Mormon view, these things ocurred during the Great Apostacy (when Christ revoked His authority from man and the Church due to their wickedness). The point is that this is not what Christ Himself did or ordered. This is in contrast to Mohammed who ordered and caused forced conversion at the point of the sword with his armies. I believe that forced conversion is contrary to the Plan of Christ and has been since the time of our pre-Earth life. This violates the concept of Free Agency that Christ taught by word and by deed.

    Don

    May 3, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    • Don in the dead sea scrolls there are mention two chosen ones the priestly messiah Soul of Allah Jesus Christ AS and the kingly messiah Beloved of Allah The Messenger Muhammad SAWS

      Muhammad

      January 31, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      • Care to show us which fragment (if any) of the Dead Sea Scrolls mention “Allah” or “Muhammad”?

        Paul Miranda

        September 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    • Don The Prophet Muhammad SAWS never did force conversion There is no compulsion in deen Don book of Mormon was changed by Joseph smith Mormon might have been a real prophet of Allah sent to the native americans and also Joseph smith practice force conversion

      Muhammad

      February 1, 2014 at 2:31 pm

      • You are contradicting the Quran and Hadiths when you claim that Muhammad never did force conversion. See the following.

        The Quran:
        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where theyhave turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” 
         
        Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
         
        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
         
        Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
         
        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. 
         
        Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” 
         
        Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
         
        Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
         
        Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” 
         
        Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” 
         
        Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
         
        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
         
        Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
         
        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah.”

        In the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324), Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”
         
        Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”  
         
        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
         
        Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
         
        Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
         
        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” 
         
        Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”
         
        Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” 
         
        Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” 

        Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
         
        Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” 
         
        Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”  See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” 

        Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” 

        Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

        Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” 
         
        Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
         
        Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” 
         
        Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

        Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…”  
         
        Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” 
         
        Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord.  Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude.  Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners. But if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
         
        Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”   
         
        Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” 
         
        Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” 
         
        Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”  Religion of peace, eh? (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” 
         
        Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” 
         
        Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” 

        From the Hadith:
         
        Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
         
        Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
         
        Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.’  
         
        Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
         
        Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
         
        Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious
         
        Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
         
        Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’.  And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”
         
        Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
         
        Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.” 
         
        Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”
         
        Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”
         
        Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”
         
        Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.’”
         
        Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers.  His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”
         
        Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…  When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
         
        Bukhari 1:35  “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).” 
         
        Tabari 7:97  The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” 
         
        Tabari 9:69  “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us”  The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
         
        Tabari 17:187  “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.”
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: – cutting off someone’s head while screaming ‘Allah Akbar!’
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.”
         
        Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” 

        Paul Miranda

        September 18, 2014 at 10:54 pm

  4. Biblical prophecy reveals that satan himself will attempt to sit in gods seat and claim to be the true god.
    This is precisely what islam is attempting to do.. replace Jesus with
    Mohammad, replace the gospel with the koran and replace the God of Abraham with Allah..
    The bible says those who follow this evil way will be destroyed forever.

    ruth

    May 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    • Ruth Satan Arrajeem is a open enemy of Mankind And all Muslims take him as the Enemy all muslims hate him

      Muhammad

      January 31, 2014 at 12:59 pm

  5. Ruth

    Thanks for your comment.

    I just want to explain to you, briefly, that, Islam:

    1: Does not want to replace the God of Abraham with Allah for we believe Allah Is the God of Abraham. (Please say the page titled: ALLAH, on this blog)

    2: Does not want to replace Jesus with Muhammad, for we believe BOTH were holy men and messengers from the same God. (please see my post: Muslim belief in Jesus: Truth of Myth)

    We believe that All the messengers of God, professed the same creed: The worship of The One, True God.
    Jesus was sent to confirm the same message and to point out to Israel, where it was misinterpreted, and so did Muhammad.

    3: Islam certainly does not agree with the Christian doctrine that replaces the God of Abraham with Jesus, for Abraham never professed the worship Jesus.

    Thanks

    Rasheed

    Rasheed

    May 19, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  6. Dear All,

    I would like to think that the Dead Sea Scrolls are nothing than “dirty works manufactured” by those priests in preparation to corrupt the Messiah’s teachings after his departure. Get confused? Those priests had learned that the Messiah would come and they also realized that they could not negate the Messiah while he was alive. So, the Dead Sea Scrolls were prepared for post Messiah’s live. Sound familiar? Yes, it is dirty politics.

    What so called The Last Supper, The Righteous One, Crucifixion, etc were nothing than “manufactured story” only to be picked, 100 years after The Messiah’s departure?, by those Paul (Saul) and the others to be “sold” to the dying Roman Empire seeking for new “blood”. This was on and on until Nicaea. Can you imagine how it did go? Just imagine French Revolution, Communism revolution in Russia. The forerunners were dead of their own ambitions and some were hunted down to carry their own Dead Sea Scrolls.

    Peace

    Toro Kambali
    California

    Toro Kambali

    July 10, 2008 at 2:24 am

  7. Re corrected copy.
    Hi, my name is Azra.
    I have read all the comment’s and can say that all mankind are completly lost and are not even trying to research to put two and two together.
    First of all the muslim’s don’t even know the name of the prophet that they claim to be their’s.
    Below I have listed a few points to back my therory:

    Point 1. Which one of these name are his? Muhammad, Mahammed, Ahmed, Mmmet or the Unlettered one?
    Point 2. The muslim’s say that their prophet died 632 AD but the history show’s otherwise.If you have read document jacobi, the man who came with the Saracens on the sea shore, with blood on his sword and claimed he had keys to the paradise. The date is 634 A.D.
    Point 3. Military equipment is shown on certain stelae at Aksum. The so-called `Stele of the Lances’ is now known to be part of Stele 4 (after the DAE notation), whose apex is to be found elsewhere in the town (Chittick 1974: 163); on it two spears, one with a long blade and one with a shorter blade, were depicted. The Ethiopian slave Wahsi, one of the first of his countrymen to embrace Islam, was famed for his skill with the spear. Ibn Ishaq’s comment here is interesting, in that he specifically mentions that Wahsi could “throw a javelin as the Abyssinians do, and seldom missed the mark”. Wahsi himself, questioned later at his house in Homs, mentioned that at the time when he killed Hamza, the prophet Muhammad’s uncle, in battle, he was “a young Abyssinian, skilful like my countrymen in the use of the javelin” (Guillaume 1955: 371, 376). He also killed the false prophet Musaylima with his javelin after Muhammad’s death. It seems from the reports about Wahsi’s career that spear-fighting was an Ethiopian speciality at the time.The name muslaymina is plastered all over the QURAN. When they say “if you summit to allah, it is then, when you become a muslaymina”. Now if wahsi did summit to islam he would not have killed muslaymina, because he was suppose to be one of them by this time, also it is not recorded anywhere that wahsi was a muslaymina [muslim].
    Point 4. If the muslim’s say that Muhammad was the unlettered prophet, that doe’s not mean uneducated, it simply mean’s they don’t know his name. In the dead sea scrolls they do not mention the name of the prophet and call him teacher of righteousness.
    Point 5. In Hinduism the word Allah mean’s mother of godesses and her name is Kali Matha or Ma Kali. In the quran the word kali matha is plastered with Allah, e.g sura dhuha verse 3 he your gaurdian lord god, he your lord god, is not displeased with you. Also there is no mention of Allah in this whole sura. Dhuha to muslim’s mean’s pray or ask god for something, this is usually done after their worship to Allah.
    Point 6. The black stone in mecca, on it is written sangey aswad, again this a sanskrit word, meaning non white, the proof is in sura baqara verse 187. In the verse where it says: when the black thread breaks from the white, that is where the word is aswad written.
    Point 7. The word haraam means unlawfull to the muslim’s, yet in the quran in every verse where it is written masjid al haraam it means The sacred mosque. Sura baqara verse 217, in this verse haraam mean’s unlawfull. Sura anfal verse 34 here haraam mean’s sacred. This is one example that I have given. There are over 229 verses written of the word haraam, as being sared and unsacred, written in their holy book (Quran) with the same spelling.
    Point 8: (edited out by Rasheed: Racist remarks)
    I could not even begin to explain what lies they have told and the secrets that they had hidden, they have come to believe the lies of their four fathers and have accepted it as the truth. Can you see how i only tried to explain 7 point’s but instead I opened the can of worms! Can you imagine if I told you everything I know with proof, you would fall off your chair in shock!

    azra arya

    July 11, 2008 at 2:21 pm

  8. Azra,

    Since you have read all the comments, I hope you will also read this one too. I will try to limit my answers to points in your comment which have to do with Arabic.

    First) With regards to the name of the Prophet of Islam
    I am sure you agree that a person can have more than one name. The Prophet of Islam was given two names by his grandfather (Abdol-Mottalib), and they are: محمد (Mohamed) and أحمد (Ahmed).

    a) مُحَمَّد

    Various non-Arabic spellings and pronunciations of this name can be found, the more common of which are: Muhammed, Mohammad, Mohamed, Mohamet, Mohamad, Mihammad, Mahammad, Mehmet.

    Basically, variations of this name result from the following:

    • Different ways in writing/pronouncing the first vowel (“u”/“o”/”a”/”i”), and the last vowel (“e”/”a”)

    • Emphasis/lack thereof on the “m” consonant.

    • Difference in pronouncing the last consonant “d”/”t”.

    b) أَحمَد

    This name has less non-Arabic variants; usually Ahmed/Ahmad and Ahmet/Ahmat, Amet

    Here, variations result from the two sources:

    • Different ways in writing/pronouncing the vowel “a”/”e”

    • Difference in pronouncing the last consonant “d”/”t”.

    These variations can be traced to two different factors:

    1) Influence of foreign tongues on the pronunciation/writing of these names when used by non-Arabic peoples, and

    2) Different accents of the Arabic speaking countries.

    Regardless of how the two names are pronounced by Arabic or non-Arabic speaking people, they are always written in Arabic only as given above (usually the vowel marks are dropped).

    Lastly the “h” sound in both names is not a regular “h” as found in English and Latin languages. Arabic has two “h” sounds: ح and هـ. The names above use the former which is pronounced with some stress on the throat. Replacing between these two sounds makes different words with significant differences in meaning. For example س-هـ-ر is staying up late at night, while س-ح-ر can be either “magic” or “early dawn”. The difference between the two words is that the first word has the regular “h” sound, while the second has the ‘stressed’ “h”. Of course, vowels also make a significant difference as well.

    Now, to understand the meaning of the two names, you need to first know their lingual root. The two names are derived from the same root “h-m-d” (ح-م-د). The meaning of this root revolves around “commended traits” and the “praise/recognition” of such traits.

    The first name “Mohamed” (محمد) means: someone who is so much praised/commended/recognized for his commended traits.

    The second name “Ahmed” (أحمد) means someone who is full of commended traits.

    The two names make the difference between “praiseworthy”, and “praised”. Ahmed is one who has commended traits, which makes him “praiseworthy”. And Mohamed is one who is actually recognized by all around him for his commended traits and is indeed “praised”.

    Sometimes, the concept of h-m-d (praise) is confused with the concept of giving thanks. But in Arabic there is a distinction. When thanks are giving merely by tongue it is ok to use the word h-m-d, in this case it is simply praising the person whom you are thanking. But when thanks are given by deed or by some kind of expense on your part then it is sho-k-r.

    Finally the “unlettered-one” (أُمِّي) is not a name; it is an adjective or a descriptive title. In association with Mohamed, this word never comes alone.. it is always proceeded with the word “prophet” (نبي), so it is: the unlettered prophet.

    Second) There is no word in the Arabic language such as “muslaymina”.. I don’t know where you came up with this word from?

    There is Musaylema (مُسَيلِمة), which is a name. The most famous Musaylema is Musaylema Alkathab who calimed to be a prophet and who was killed by Wahshi.

    This name is never mentioned in the Quran. What you are referring to as mentioned in the Quran is the word Muslema (مُسلمة), which means female Muslim.

    Third) In Sura Duha the first three verses are:

    “Waddoha, wallaili itha saja, ma wadda’aka rabboka wa ma qala.”

    I think in your comment you were referring to the last two words “ma qala”. The second of these two words ends with an “a” sound not an “i”, and neither word should have capital initials (so they are not in any way a name of someone).

    In Arabic “ma” is a negation word, and “qala” means deserted. So, the meaning of “ma qala” is “has not deserted”. Here, Allah is assuring Mohamed that He has not left him alone or has not deserted him.

    Fourth) The word “aswad” does mean “black”, and the black stone is black… and in Arabic it is called Alhajar al-Aswad (the black stone). So, where is the catch?!! And where did you get this word “sangey” from?! And who said that the black stone has the words “sangey aswad” written on it?

    Fifth) In Arabic, “haraam” (حرام) typically means unlawful. So in Islam it is haraam to steal or lie, etc. The same word, with the same spelling, is also used in Almasjed Alharaam which is in Mecca where the Kaba is.

    The reason it is called Almasjed “Alharaam” is because within the vicinity of this mosque many things/actions which may be lawful outside are prohibited and considered unlawful. This principle was practiced by the Arabs before Islam and it was reinforced by Islam particularly with regards to the rites of the hajj (annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca). When the pilgrim enters the vicinity of Almasjed Alaharam, he/she becomes in a state of “ihram” which means he must observer all the regulations with regards to what’s lawful and what’s unlawful inside that location.

    Finally, you say:
    “I could not even begin to explain what lies they have told and the secrets that they had hidden, they have come to believe the lies of their four fathers and have accepted it as the truth. Can you see how i only tried to explain 7 point’s but instead I opened the can of worms! Can you imagine if I told you everything I know with proof, you would fall off your chair in shock!”

    Obviously what you are referring to as “lies” are basically misunderstandings on your part of the Arabic language. I hope I have helped you somewhat clear those misunderstandings.

    I personally won’t mind if you tell us “everything you know with proof”, because from the 7 points which you listed in your comment it seems there won’t be any difficulty answering “all” of your points.

    However, if I were you I would be very careful because sometimes when we talk to prove something, the only thing we prove in the process is our ignorance of what we are talking about.

    Abdo

    July 12, 2008 at 9:01 am

  9. Bravo Abdo !!!

    You presented such clear explanation.
    I have questions on a sentence: “hamalathu”
    As you know the subject is She (female) and the object is Him (male). And the common English translation of “hamala” is “pregnant”. Alas “pregnant” is not a transitive verb.

    Without having any reference to the common understanding of similar sentence from any Quran sources (eg. Maryam:22), my question is Who the one is pregnant? She or He?

    Peace
    Toro Kambali
    California

    Toro Kambali

    July 15, 2008 at 6:05 pm

  10. Thanks Toro,

    To help you understand Hamalathu , let me break it down for you like this:

    Hamala-t-hu

    Hamala (حَمَلَ) means carried (past tense)

    t – a suffix indicating a female subject

    hu – a suffix indicating a male singular object

    So, the meaning is “she carried him”. Typically, this “one-word-sentence” implies pregnancy, i.e. that a mother is pregnant with a child.

    As for translating “hamala” as “pregnant”, it seems to me as a mistake because as you rightly said “hamala” is a verb while “pregnant” is not.

    Unless… it is “hamela” with an “e” not an “a” after the “m”. In that case, the Arabic word is different and could indeed be translated as “pregnant”. The word for “hamela” is حامِلة (with a kasra on the meem) which literally means “she is carrying”, in other words “pregnant”. However, in this case the first “a” should be pronounced longer than in the case with “hamala” because it is an alef while there in “hamala” it is just a fat’ha. And the vowel following the meem should be “e” not “a”. So, I would expect that it should be spelled as “haamela”

    Having said that, I must point out that in Arabic the word “haamela” is not commonly used to mean pregnant (unless maybe in some local dialects). What is used in standard Arabic is the masculine form of that word, i.e. “haamel”. I know it sounds strange to use a masculine adjective in reference to a female subject, but in Arabic there are cases when only the masculine form of the word is used for both genders. “haamel” is one such case.

    Abdo

    July 15, 2008 at 7:03 pm

  11. Muchas Gracias Senor Abdo !!! Thank you.

    I suspect that there has been some “misinterpretations” of several verses in Quran regarding “hamalathu” with the idea of physical “pregnancy”. I know it is hard for me also. I always think that “hamala” is “To make someone having more knowledge tremendously”. So “hamalthu” means “She made him having more knowledge tremendously”.

    I wish I can get a complete scientific dictionary of Arabic with all altertnative meaning of every word.

    Peace
    Toro Kambali
    California

    Toro Kambali

    July 15, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  12. Toro,

    The likelihood for misinterpretation is always possible, but that’s part of the learning process. Even native Arabic speaking people experience misinterpretations now and then, but these misinterpretations don’t persist. People get over with them; just as you have been contemplating with this word “hamalathu” for some time until you got the chance to get a satisfactory answer.

    With respect to The Quran, the learning resources for the language of the Quran are open, available, and easily accessible. Non-Arabic speaking Muslims always have access to Arabic speaking Muslims who can provide significant help to them. When Arabic speaking Muslims don’t have the answer, they can turn to professional Arabic linguists, who can easily be found. Dictionaries are also easily available. So, in essence when it comes to The Quran, the language barrier can easily be overcome; which is not equally the case with the text of The Bible.

    Now, one more comment about the word “hamalathu”. This word is mentioned only 3 times in The Quran: Maryam:22, Luqman:14, and Ahqaf:15. In all three incidents it has the same meaning “she carried him” (meaning pregnant with him).

    The first case is in reference to Mary the mother of Jesus when she got pregnant with him.

    The other two cases are in reference to mothers in general being pregnant with their babies. The context of these two other cases talks about the duty of man towards his mother in return for all the pains she suffered for him and the care she took of him throughout his life.

    Other than these three incidents there is no mention of the word “hamalathu” in The Quran.

    Based on the above, I really can’t see how the word hamalathu has been confused for you with the meaning “she made him having more knowledge tremendously”.

    The only way I can think of where this confusion may have resulted from is another word which ‘sounds’ somewhat similar and that is “allamathu” (عَلَّمَتهُ). This word comes from: “allama” which means to teach (again, in the past tense). However it does not imply ‘tremendously’; although it might imply ‘continuously’. In The Quran, Al-Alaq:5, Allah says: “Allama al-insana ma lam ya’lam”. Which may be interpreted as “He taught man what he had no knowledge of”. That is, Allah taught man what man had no knowledge of.

    Finally, I just want to point your attention that a great deal of the confusion, and thus errors in interpretation, result actually when we are looking at the Arabic word as written in Latin alphabets. This results in distinct Arabic letters being replaced with the closest Latin letters which in turn results in considerable ambiguities.

    For example, as in the case of “hamalathu”, the Latin “h” ambiguates two distinct Arabic letters ح and هـ. The first “h” in hamalathu is for ح while the second “h” is for هـ. Also if you consider “allama” or “allamathu”, the first “a” is not an alef, but is actually the letter ع which has no equivalent in Latin, but “a” is the closest and most common replacement.

    Confusion also comes when writing Arabic vowels in Latin alphabet.

    In the Mos’haf (written text of The Quran) all the details are there and are very clear. There is no place for confusion or ambiguity with regards to what the actual words are.

    Finally, I believe learning the Arabic alphabet and the vowel marks, can be a great help for removing a considerable amount of the confusion.

    Abdo

    July 16, 2008 at 6:33 am

  13. Thank you again Abdo …

    Do you have any suggestion for comprehensive Arabic distionaries I can get?

    If you don’t mind, could you email me at t_kambali@yahoo.com because I have a lot of questions.

    Thank you in advance.

    Regards,
    Toro Kambali
    California

    Al Toro

    July 17, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  14. professor tabor..your link from your web site does not work..i tried to email you there..

    Sean

    August 28, 2010 at 4:59 pm

  15. This document was written before Islam and the writer is apparently from Israel as all the prophets that YAHWEH sent into the earth to rebuke His people for their sins. In these last days He has sent His Son as the final warning to His people and all of mankind. All of the prophets are descendants of Abraham through Isaac and not Ishmael. The Messiah Yahshua has fulfilled the prophecies written about Him. Take the time out to search the real truth. Is the prophet Muhammad a descendant of The Tribe of David?
    If you read the words correctly in this revelation it is talking about Exaltation and not Self-Glorification. There is only One Who Was exalted at the right hand of The Throne of The Majesty and that is Yahshua HaMashiach. He is the only One Who gave His life to atone for the sins of Israel and Judah.

    Fire of Yah

    April 6, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    • Mary is not a descendant of David but Joseph the carpenter is so i guess Jesusis not son of god

      Muhammad

      January 27, 2014 at 1:55 pm

  16. Who predicts falsehoods upon the world! Who removes the one and only Truth that came into it! His light Shawn brightly for all mankind, not just for a select few of this world or a certain race. People look and try and eek out that in which they think they know, but have little understanding of this Truth. So it is of the True Light that came into this world to give understanding that many do not understand him or that which he brought to them.
    You change things that are true to fit your own beliefs, and teach them to your young instead of teaching them of the real Truth. I say this not of one denomination but of all who even now have changed his Truths into a false way. The only consolation is that he knows of these things that you people of this world do and will allow you a chance to correct the error. Christ came and gave you the true way and you have abandoned it not in only one part of the word but in all parts even unto his own elect people. Come it is time to change this wrong doing and bring back the true message that once was given to all people. He Gave it in Love, Compassion and Forgiveness to the entire world may it reign again in all its glory. Peace be with you all!!

    Idotgotit

    August 28, 2011 at 8:56 pm

  17. If Christianity is true then both Christians and Muslims will be safe in the day of judgment. Moreover, Muslims will be at safer place. Because, Muslims believe all the prophets, angles, the day of judgment, and they worship the One God. Read the whole bible and you will never find that GOD said, “Worship him beside me” or the saying of Jesus (PBUH), “Worship me with Him.” God never said, “Believe him as my son or I’ll punish you.” Muslims love Jesus and say, “Peace be upon him” every time they say his name.
    “You shall have no other gods before me.” Exodus 20:3
    Muslims do not have any other God before Him. No prophet including Jesus (PBUH) worshiped other God. Jesus (PBUH) worshiped only LORD and Muslims follow him thoroughly while Christians do not follow him in worshipping only God. Christians do not follow any prophet because no prophet worshiped other than only God. That is why Muslims are at safer place.
    If Islam is true, then only Muslims will be safe.

    You may write hundreds of pages to answer me. But your heart cannot deny what I have said.

    Ariful Islam

    March 12, 2012 at 5:58 am

  18. I read ur msg now. it was an heartfelt reading. its very painful d way people attacks d personality of d Prophet(saw),I don’t know what offence he has committed? By d special grace of God,all his detractors shall die by d road side. D description u cited fits d Prophet in every word,is just evil that makes them shy away from d truth. God bless u.

    Oyebanjo ganiyu

    December 23, 2012 at 10:51 am

  19. Um…..you seeem to have a problem with your argument that Christians and Muslims have the same God. In order for us to have the same God you must acknowledge that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God.let me explain it mathematicaly to you 1 x 1 x 1=?

    Allah does have a holy spirit right? If not then your religion is spiritually dead. If Allah does have a holy spirit then 1×1=? You get the point right? So unless you accept Jesus as God who yes is that powerfull, let me repeat is that almighty he can walk on earth in flesh, infact he can manafest himself to whatever his heart wishes, then we simply do not worship the same God, its that simple. Yahweh and Allah is not the same.

    God told Moses what his name was and it wasnt Allah. Gods name is I Am Who I Am. I AM

    Lastely to claim Allah as the same as the Christian God, there is another major problem Islam must deal with and thats the very name of Allah. Let me explain Exodus 34:14: “Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.” God is a jealous God, God is so Jealous that even Gods own name can not be named after any other gods, for example Jupitor, Zeus, Ra, thor, Hubal, baal and yes you guessed it Allah. Now Allah seems very interesting because pre Islamic Arabia, Allah had 3 daughters Uzza, Lat and Manat. Please refer to your book and turn to Sura 53:19 thier intercession was to be hoped for…..?????

    Now why or why would God be fitting or happy with a pagan name? I have to ask it, I gotta ask it…or you on drugs? A name used for another god, is Our GOD really befitting of such a low class name. NO because God is a Jealous God so jealous that no name of any other god is good enough for GOD to be called at.

    As you can see we do not have the same God, we will never have the same God. You do not understand our God because you dont even understand his words which is the bible. How can you claim we have the same God? When you dont even understand the christian God. Wake up.

    inchrist

    December 28, 2012 at 11:48 pm

  20. Hi Rasheed, thanks for reply.

    Did Jesus say Allah?

    I will provide conclusive proof that Jesus said no such thing.

    The Peshitta and the Aramaic were not used in the translation of the King James Bible. Only the Greek texts were used. God allowed the Muslim armies to attack Constantinople BEFORE the Aramaic Bible was accepted by the Greek Church. The Greek monks of Constantinople fled their churches with the Greek manuscripts they had from Antioch and the Eastern churches NOT polluted by Syrian pagan notions from Mesopotamia. Thus, the King James Bible was protected by God from pollution by the Aramaic texts. There must be some reason that the Aramaic text of the Bible does not please God.

    Jesus settled it for us as to the name of God in Hebrew and Aramaic:

    Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

    We see here two witnesses to the fact that the name of God is El.Verse 46. Eli, Eli, etc. This language is not pure Hebrew, nor Syriac, but a mixture of both, called commonly Syro-Chaldaic.

    This was probably the language which he commonly spoke. The words are taken from Psalm 22:1. (Barnes notes)Jesus was speaking a combined use of Aramaic and Syriac, which is the alleged foundation of the Aramaic from Chaldea where the present day Baith Catholic Church is located, in Syria and in Iraq.

    Jesus used the Hebrew name for God, El, and he added the possessive suffix, i. Thus, Eli, or “My God.”This also implies that Jesus never used the Aramaic name for God because it may have already been corrupted.

    Allah derived from pagan forms staring at the Tower of Babel. This tower, and Sumer where the gods IL and ILAH evolved, were just up the road from Israel. So some primitive Allah form may have already been in use in Jesus’ day

    Why would Jesusrefer to Himself as Allah as that word was being widly used to describe the following gods
    B’aALaHaA? Allah? That equivalent to Jesus being born in Greece and calling himself Zeus. Why eould God refer to himself with a pagan name?

    Please take note because you will need to find a way to get round this arguement

    The second proof in the Matthew text above is found in verse 47 where the people standing by thought Jesus was calling to Elias, or Elijah, whose name means, Eli-Jah, or “My God, Yaweh.” If Jesus had said, “Allah, Allah, etc etc” the bystanders would not have been able to make the association with Elias in any way, shape, or form.

    Jesus does not will never refer Yahweh as Allah. The Arabic christian bibles are corrupted.

    The holy spirit ha allowed the true words of God to carry on being incorruptable through the Kings James Bible.

    Lastly who would you believe a guy who apparently recieved revelations from an angel, with NO witnesses to the fact. Where are the witnesses? Or are you going to believe Moses who has the entire isrealite tribe witnessing speaking to God, let me repeat speaking to God directly. God said his name is Yahweh.

    Does God lie?

    inchrist

    December 30, 2012 at 11:22 am

    • Allah is Yahweh and one more thing Judas iscariot die in the cross and one more thing Jesus can not be god because his name is not Yahweh which is Allah And The holy Spirit Appeared to The Prophet Muhammad SAWS And the Holy Spirit is Gabriel and Jesus Christ Is the messiah He is the Spirit of Allah which is better than son of god because Jesus Christ Is the Spirit of Allah he is not son of Yahweh And no offence king James version is a translation it’s not the original holy bible

      Muhammad

      January 27, 2014 at 1:25 pm

  21. God said “Thou Shall not kill” But Allah says “kill everybody” Obviously NOT the same God. Obey the commandments, PS the Holy Bible that is TRUE says if anyone comes at you with another book, don’t allow them in your house, (that includes the book you read) Just read the Bible and you will see.

    melissa

    February 9, 2013 at 9:08 am

    • Allah says “kill everybody” – where does this quotation come from?

      Paul Williams

      February 9, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      • The old testament says the the lord said leave no soul alive but the lord never said that in the first place but man corrupted the old testament and new testament

        Muhammad

        January 27, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      • The Quran:
        Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where theyhave turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing…but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” 
         
        Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
         
        Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
         
        Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
         
        Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. 
         
        Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” 
         
        Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
         
        Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
         
        Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” 
         
        Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” 
         
        Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
         
        Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”
         
        Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
         
        Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah.”

        In the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324), Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”
         
        Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”  
         
        Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
         
        Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
         
        Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
         
        Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” 
         
        Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”
         
        Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” 
         
        Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” 

        Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
         
        Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” 
         
        Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.”  See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” 

        Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” 

        Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

        Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” 
         
        Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
         
        Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” 
         
        Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

        Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…”  
         
        Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” 
         
        Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord.  Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude.  Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners. But if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
         
        Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”   
         
        Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” 
         
        Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” 
         
        Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”  Religion of peace, eh? (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” 
         
        Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn – Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” 
         
        Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” 

        From the Hadith:
         
        Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
         
        Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet… was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, “They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans).”
         
        Bukhari (52:65) – The Prophet said, ‘He who fights that Allah’s Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.’  
         
        Bukhari (52:220) – Allah’s Apostle said… ‘I have been made victorious with terror’
         
        Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)
         
        Abu Dawud (14:2527) – The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious
         
        Muslim (1:33) – the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah
         
        Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’.  And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally.”
         
        Muslim (1:30) – “The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
         
        Bukhari (52:73) – “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords’.” 
         
        Bukhari (11:626) – [Muhammad said:] “I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those, who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.”
         
        Muslim (1:149) – “Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause…”
         
        Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”
         
        Muslim (20:4696) – “the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: ‘One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad died the death of a hypocrite.’”
         
        Muslim (19:4321-4323) – Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers.  His response: “They are of them (meaning the enemy).”
         
        Muslim (19:4294) – “When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him… He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war…  When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them… If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.”
         
        Bukhari 1:35  “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty ( if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise ( if he is killed).” 
         
        Tabari 7:97  The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” 
         
        Tabari 9:69  “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us”  The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
         
        Tabari 17:187  “‘By God, our religion (din) from which we have departed is better and more correct than that which these people follow. Their religion does not stop them from shedding blood, terrifying the roads, and seizing properties.’ And they returned to their former religion.”
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: – “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 990: — cutting off someone’s head while screaming ‘Allah Akbar!’
         
        Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: – “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.”
         
        Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – “Embrace Islam… If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” 

        Paul Miranda

        September 18, 2014 at 11:24 pm

      • @ “Muhammad”

        Instances of violence in the Old Testament are each a particular LIMITED circumstance in time, for a particular purpose established by God. But in the Quran, we encounter GENERAL commands to kill and destroy the enemies of Islam that are applicable for ALL times and places and people groups.

        While there is indeed violence in the Bible (under the Old Covenant) one thing is certain—Jesus had a non-violent message. While some people have betrayed the peaceful message of Jesus in history, the teachings of Jesus have a consistent tone of peace, service, love, and humility. Jesus is the Prince of Peace. He never told us to kill anyone, and he disdained violence. His followers echoed this command for peace. Just a few of the numerous New Testament passages that can be cited are: Matthew 5:1-12, 5:43-44, 9:36, 19:30, 26:50-52; Mark 9:35; Luke 6:27-36, 9:54-55, 10:30-37, 22:49-51, 23:32-34; John 10:7-18, 13:1-17; Galatians 5:22-23; Philippians 2:6-8; 1 Thessalonians 5:15, and 1 Peter 3:8-9. We encourage you to read these moving passages now, and then consider what the world would be like if everyone practiced the teachings of Jesus.

        Paul Miranda

        September 18, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    • Melissa your wrong no offence the old testament says kill everybody and The Holy Quran Doesn’t read All of the Holy Quran and see

      Muhammad

      January 27, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    • Islam is not a religion it is more than a religion it is a complete a total way of life and I give you an example Muslims don’t believe in religion we believe in Islam and submit to Allah Islam is for everybody not just for Muslims its for Christians Jews Hindus Buddhist atheist etc unlike Christianity is only for Christian so that makes it a religion which religion is man made while Islam is not Islam is the original path it is the Truth

      Muhammad

      January 27, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    • The King James Bible may well have been more corrupted due to influence of Free Masonry and occult-type idolisation which may have had ulterior purposes during so-called translation

      Chard

      April 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm

  22. Actually, the fragments described above seem to describe Jesus Christ the Messiah.

    Observe:

    “Who shall [experience] troubles like me? And who is like me [in bearing] evil?” — Compare that to Isaiah 53 which was also found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

    “I have not been taught, but no teaching compares i7[ with my teaching].” — Compare that to John 7:15 in which the Jews marvelled about Jesus, saying, “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?”

    “Who then shall attack me when [I] ope[n my mouth]? Who can endure the utterance of my lips?” — Compare that to Matthew 22:46 concerning Jesus that “no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.”

    “Who shall arraign me and compare with my judgment i3″ — Compare that to John 8:46 where Jesus asked, “Which of you convinces me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe me?”
     
    “[. . . Fo]r I am reck[oned] with the gods, [and] my glory with that of the sons of the King.” — Compare that with John 10:25-36. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (vv. 25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (v. 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men—albeit men of authority and prestige—as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to magistrates in general. If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (vv. 34-36)?

    Paul Miranda

    September 18, 2014 at 8:05 pm

    • Paul miranda All what you show about the verses of the Quran and the hadiths was only for self defense and fighting and dying for Allah SWT cause only it says nothing about killing everybody and starting wars and forcing people to become muslim but in the bible it says kill everybody that lives and breathes including women and children and nature and animals and also the in the new testament Jesus said in Matthew 10:34 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” And also im a former christian and i read the whole bible 57 times back to front and also other religious scriptures front and back but i prefer Islam because it has logic and faith and i will never leave it even if i burn in hell for eternity because islam is the only truth so can you say the same for your faith Paul

      Muhammad

      October 29, 2014 at 10:48 am


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