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Ebionites Theology and Early Christians’ Beliefs

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Watch Prof. James Tabor talk about the letters of James and Jude, and how and why the church tried to suppress them.

Readers of this blog would remember that I referred to Prof. Tabor’s book “The Jesus Dynasty”,  in my previous post.

Well, this video confirms what I have written about the Ebionites, the early Christians led by Jesus’ brother James. According to a very ancient Christian text called “The Teachings”, those early Christians knew nothing of a divine Jesus, they knew nothing of an atoning sacrificial death on the cross, nor did they recognise Jesus as the Son of God.

In fact, almost all of the major teachings of Islam about Jesus and his message are echoed faithfully including the definition of Jesus as a servant of God and teacher/ prophet.

Here is another piece of information that casts a light on the original teaching of Jesus, for those who care to to know.

(I first saw this video in Paul Williams‘ brilliant blog: Exploring Life, The Universe and Everything.)

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Written by Rasheed Gadir

November 3, 2008 at 5:03 pm

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  1. Salam

    I’ve just posted a new article on my blog which may be of interest…

    http://bloggingtheology.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/isaac-newton/

    Paul

    Paul Williams

    January 27, 2009 at 8:24 pm

  2. salam

    here is a good recent discussion of the Ebionites’ theology:

    Talk by Sheikh Abdal Hakim Murad at Keble College, Oxford – February 2009 – 1 hr 25 mins

    An excellent analysis of Islamic Christology.

    http://www.cambridgekhutbasetc.blogspot.com/

    Paul

    Paul Williams

    February 23, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    • Thanks Paul, I will listen to it with great interest.

      Rasheed

      Rasheed

      February 25, 2009 at 1:13 am

  3. Paul Williams

    March 28, 2009 at 9:50 pm

  4. Salam

    a new post by me which may be of interest…

    Paul

    http://bloggingtheology.wordpress.com/

    Paul Williams

    April 29, 2009 at 9:52 pm

  5. I just watched the Ebionite video. I nearly jumped out of my chair. I had come to the same conclusions presented about a year ago and could get nobody to listen.

    Judas or Jude writing that they had been infiltrated, corresponds to, I believe, Paul. Josephus writes about someone who is a prolific writer, but does so for his own glory.

    Finally, although Paul was probably spiritual, I believe he had Pagan tendencies. I think he was also employed by Rome to corrupt the Jews such that Rome could occupy Jerusalem and collect taxes from the Jews. Judes letters may have bought him the scapegoat role.

    pelagian7

    September 3, 2009 at 1:16 am

    • Um, how can Paul have pagan tendencies when Peter reaffirms Pauls writings??? Peter, who was a disciple of Jesus, personally authenticated Paul’s writings by calling them scripture in 2 Pet. 3:15-16.  If they are inspired, then they cannot contradict Jesus’ words.

      inchrist

      January 4, 2013 at 1:33 pm

      • Paul is a false prophet who was Greek origin to begin with who follow up the teachings of Plato so Paul is a hypocrite so the only true companion of Jesus Christ The Messiah AS Soul of Allah is Barnabas

        Muhammad

        February 4, 2014 at 1:12 pm

  6. Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu brother Ali,

    My name is Mustafa, and I live in Sarajevo, Bosnia. I think I could be defined as a semi-regular follower of the events taking place in the area of Muslim – Christian debates but also as someone whose heart and prayers are with those who invest efforts to defend Islam and call people to it. I was wandering whether you are aware of the series of lectures done by brother Abdul Ahad Jara called “From Isa to Islam” that can be downloaded at http://nadeem.lightuponlight.com/indexaudios3.html#Abdul_Ahad . Since you obviously interact a lot with Christians on you blog (and presumably in everyday life) and are in position to share the truth with them, I’m quite sure that this series will be of great interest and use to you. Brother Abdul Ahad Jara (Bakersfield) is a former Christian pastor. He is an Expert in Bible studies and history of Christianity in the first few centuries of the CE (including Dead Sea Scrolls, Nag Hammadi discoveries, etc.). These are a series of lectures he gave on the life of ‘Isa a.s. (more precisely, Paul, James, ‘Isa a.s. and his early followers) from the Islamic perspective but with a very original and in my opinion brilliant use and interpretation of findings and conclusions by different Bible scholars (as every other scholar, has his mistakes, especially related to his claims about the prophecies about the Prophet s.a.w.s. in the Bible, but these are insignificant compared to the good sides of his work). These lectures represent fruits of over ten years of constant research of his. I hope you will enjoy and benefit from listening to them. If you find the time, I would love to hear your thoughts, impressions and comments about the series, but my primary desire is for you to benefit from it and use the knowledge in your future da’wah efforts.

    Wassalaam,

    Mustafa

    Ibn Mikdad

    May 27, 2010 at 11:56 pm

  7. When the propeht muhammad returns will he be immortal?

    Sean

    August 6, 2010 at 3:54 pm

  8. السلام عليكم
    عايز حد يترجم سلسله اسمها تعريف الاسلام الى اللغه الانجليزيه ولمختلف اللغات لو تقدر تساعد شرفنى فى مدونتى
    وجزاكم الله خيرا

    know islam

    August 23, 2010 at 5:33 pm

  9. Erm, the Ebionites were a sect from without the early Church. In terms of the views of the Church there wasn’t any debate over Christ, the Resurrection or the divinity of Christ. If there had surely this would have been the first item on the agenda of the first council (held in Jerusalem!) with the Apostles?

    J

    October 21, 2011 at 9:03 pm

  10. I believe you have reversed the order to validate the Qur’an. From a historical standpoint, it would seem that the heretical Ebionite doctrine may have in fact shaped the Qur’an, since Kadijah and her uncle were among the first to support the prophethood of Muhammad. Yet Jesus’ eyewitness apostles have already forewarned about this doctrine that denies the Father and the Son (and thus the Holy Spirit – which I explained in a comment to your “My difficulties with the trinity concept” post) in 1John 2:18-27:

    “Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no LIE is of the truth.”

    “Who is the LIAR but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the ANTICHRIST, the one who DENIES the FATHER and the SON. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.”

    “This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. As for you, the anointing [the Holy Spirit] which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing [the Holy Spirit, Spirit of truth] teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.”

    1John 5:7-12: “For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a LIAR, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.”

    Joe Titus

    November 25, 2012 at 5:35 am

    • When Jesus mention The Father he Meant Adam AS Because Adam is our Father and we are his children And when Jesus said Again Father when it comes to believing him as the Christ Soul of Allah then he says Father he Meant our Father Abraham AS believing in Jesus was sent by God of Abraham AS

      Muhammad

      February 4, 2014 at 1:20 pm

      • “For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” (John 5:18) …

        Yes, the Jewish High Priest had Jesus KILLED by crucifixion for Jesus claiming EQUALITY with God – please read Matthew 26:57-66

        Joe Titus

        March 13, 2014 at 9:52 am

    • Joe titus Son is false its suppose to be Soul and Father means Sometimes Adam AS and Abraham AS Jesus is the Christ The soul of Allah but he isn’t The Creator Allah Is the Creator And the Holy Soul Is Gabriel AS The Holy Spirit

      Muhammad

      February 4, 2014 at 1:27 pm

      • Another FALSE Islamic assertion which calls GOD a liar – at Jesus’ baptism and at the Mount of Transfiguration GOD AUDIBLY testified that Jesus was His “beloved SON”. John the Baptist also clearly testified that Jesus was the SON of God and the LAMB of God Who would take away the sins of the world, and he said Jesus would baptize others in the Holy Spirit, Who is GOD’s omnipresent Spirit, NOT an angel (John 1: 25-35):
        “Why then are you baptizing, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” John answered them saying, “I baptize in water, but among you stands One whom you do not know. It is He who comes after me, the thong of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie.” These things took place in Bethany beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the LAMB of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ I did not recognize Him, but so that He might be manifested to Israel, I came baptizing in water.” John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the SON of God.”

        Joe Titus

        March 13, 2014 at 10:03 am

    • When Jesus said I and the Father are one he Meant he And Adam AS are created of the same substance which is Jesus had no biological father he just have a mother and Adam AS had no biological father and mother and the trinity doesn’t exist And we believe in Adam AS the Father of all mankind and our Father Abraham too And we Believe Jesus as the Soul of Allah and we Believe Gabriel AS as the Holy Soul Holy Spirit Bu

      Muhammad

      February 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm

      • More FALSE assertions – It doesn’t matter what you believe, as your religion has NO authority to blaspheme God’s Word and call GOD a liar concerning the testimony He bore about Jesus being the SON of God, the fulness of the Father in the flesh, the sinless LAMB of God Who fulfilled all righteousness on behalf of us SINFUL humans, the One Who DIED on the cross for our SINS and was RESURRECTED from the dead as PROOF that only through HIM we can have the forgiveness of sins and eternal life… If you seek TRUTH, you should ask yourself WHY the Qur’an DENIES EVERY ONE of these points about Jesus? It’s because Islam comes from the spirit of Antichrist which apostle John (see verses in my earlier comment) CLEARLY forewarned about, which denies BOTH the FATHER and the SON.

        Joe Titus

        March 13, 2014 at 10:10 am

    • When Jesus said I and the Father are one he Meant he And Adam AS are created of the same substance which is Jesus had no biological father he just have a mother and Adam AS had no biological father and mother and the trinity doesn’t exist And we believe in Adam AS the Father of all mankind and our Father Abraham too And ‘ we Believe Jesus as the Soul of Allah and we Believe Gabriel AS as the Holy Soul Holy Spirit But We only worship Allah Alone and Joe The Antichrist Arrajeem has one eye and he is the enemy and Jesus Christ will come back and kill him

      Muhammad

      February 4, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    • Titus The Spirit of Truth Is The Messenger Muhammad SAWS He is also the Son of Man And the Comforter and the Advocate And Shiloh And Paracletos

      Muhammad

      February 4, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      • Jesus forewarned of many FALSE prophets who would come after Him, and apostle John forewarned about false prophets of the LYING spirit of antichrist that would DENY the FATHER and the SON (see my very first comment). Now please hear these words from Jesus and stop believing LIES…here is the TRUTH about why ONLY JESUS shall return as Judge of the earth and ONLY JESUS has authority to RESURRECT people from the dead (just as He Himself resurrected from the dead as PROOF):

        “For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.” (John 5:21-27)

        Joe Titus

        March 13, 2014 at 10:18 am

  11. It is rediculous to think that Islam and the Koran, both 8th century socio-political creation of the Kaliphate to rationalize and justify their rules and brutal crimes against humanity, retains the true teachings of original Christianity, when it’s obvious and proven Kaliphate redactors used the teachings of 8th century Gnostics about them to criticize orthodox Christianity, and rationalize and justify second class citizenship of orthodox and Catholic Christians which bares no resemblance to the Gnostics.

    Mortaryan Vasitva

    May 24, 2014 at 10:20 pm


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